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The Joba Question Should Still Be Pondered

March 16th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

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Although the question seems to be answered by the Yankees, I’m still not sure if Joba Chamberlain should be starting this season over dominating out of the bull pen. I don’t know if it’s because the 5 time all-star 4 time World Series champion Jorge Posada has spoken publicly against the idea or the fact that Joba has looked mediocre this spring despite his two victories.

This has been the topic of great debate for Yankee fans nation wide and no one has a definitive answer. I’ve had this argument with numerous friends for countless hours and have taken both sides. In the end I tend to lean more toward him coming out of the bullpen rather than him being babied through starts. But I’m not saying I don’t like the idea of giving him a shot at being an all-star starter either. If Girardi could convince me that Chamberlain wasn’t going to be on a strict pitch count for the first few months of the season then maybe I could get behind the idea.

The possibilities are nearly erotic they’re so good. Joba could be a dominant ace that blows people away with his fastball and breaks wrists with his tearing slider. He could rack up 20 win season after 20 win season, keep his ERA at 3.00 or lower and lead us to another grouping of World Series championships. He could be a Red Sock killer (That bald headed freak with the obnoxious batting stance and WWE facial hair already poops his pants when he’s in the box; his over zealous bat-wiggles turn into trembles, (he’s such a tough guy from the dugout) and I love it) or a post season craftsmen chalking up W’s like El Duque. I’m salivating just thinking about it.

But then there’s the other side. He’s never pitched a full season as a starter and he was closely monitored to a point way beyond annoyance all last season. He throws a lot of balls and seems to find himself with too many base runners on early in the game too often. But what weighs loads heavier than the negatives of his possible outcome as a true starter are the positives of him coming out of the bullpen. He displayed promise two years ago as an 8th inning man psyching up the crowd and man handling opposing batters handing off the game and setting up the save for MO very nicely; reminiscent of the Jeff Nelson days or of ’96 when MO was our 8th inning man. He would be an explosive, invaluable tool coming out of the pen and setting up for MO, kicking a slimmer Bruney to an earlier slot giving us more confidence to go to the pen early when needed. The security of him coming out of the bullpen is not something that should go unnoted.

On the other hand, the value of a strong bull pen pitcher is no where near the bling of a 20 win intimidating starter. Not to mention Joba hasn’t really been given a true chance to shine as a starter and, as a close friend of mine who’s a great baseball/Yankee fan pointed out, our bullpen was pretty solid last year and hasn’t changed all that much. With the security of last year’s more than decent bull pen and with MO feeling like MO why not give him a shot as a starter?

Let us also remember that the two time Cy Young award winner Johan Santana started out in the bullpen before transitioning into the starter he is today. He had two years in the pen in ’00 and ’01 and had a 6.49era and a 4.74era respectively. It wasn’t until after he started only 14 games in ’02 and only 18 games in ’03 that he went on to win the AL Cy Young in ’04 and become one of the most sought after left-handed pitchers in recent memory. Am I saying that Joba will go on to win the Cy Young in 2010 if we let him pitch this season? No, but that doesn’t mean if we put him in the bullpen he’ll be the next Mariano Rivera either.

Although I’m shaky on the subject I’d like to see him start this season as a Starter. He has a lot of great arms in front of him in the rotation and a few veterans to help him along the way. I like to be optimistic and say give it a shot. However, I don’t want to see him continue to try if he fails, frustrating the fans as he turns himself into a dead horse either. If they’re going to let him try then they have to listen to the great Yankee announcer Jim Kaat and just let him pitch. They can’t take him out after 65 pitches and hold his hand through the first three months of the season. If he’s going to be a starting pitcher then he has to pitch like one and not like a middle reliever filling in for an injured starter.

If he continues to look like he has this spring (I know he pitched well against the defending champs but let’s not kid ourselves into believing they were playing the real Phillies and let us also not ignore the hit batsman or the 21 balls out of 48 pitches he threw) then I think we may want to keep an eye on Hughes who has looked better than he normally does this spring and to be honest better than Joba has.

Hughes has looked sharp in three outings this spring keeping his ERA bellow 2.50 (which is more than Joba, CC or Wang can say) and may be able to shake of his dismal ’08 season. But before I start to sound too crazy I’ll remind myself it’s only spring training and hope that Girardi knows what he’s doing.

Joba could be a franchise starter, lord knows the fans are ready, and he could be the 20 win, Red Sock killer, world series champion we’re all looking for or he could just be an 8th inning relief pitcher playing the wrong position. I’ll root for him as a starter but I’ll have my fingers crossed and keep the money in my wallet until August.

Comments
  • Bobby
    The more I read and listen to people’s views on whether Joba should be in the pen or the rotation, the more I realize it’s two debates rolled into one. One argument asks which roll better fits Joba. This question can’t yet be answered. He’s 23 years old. Even if he has a decent to sub-par 2009 and 2010 in the rotation, he still could be a solid-great starter; it takes years to develop a pitcher. The other argument asks which role is more valuable to a team in general. Starting pitchers have longer careers and when at their best can have a larger impact on a single game, and just as large an impact on a series as any closer in the league not named Mariano. I feel like a closer is more like a field goal kicker than a defense; the game may rest completely on his shoulders, or his team may win without him even making an appearance. Let’s see what Joba’s ceiling is as a starter before we throw him in the 8th inning.
  • Tony Iovino
    Have always thought Joba should stay in the pen. I disagree with you by the way-- I'll take a lights out closer over a 20 game winner anytime. Replace a 20 game winner with a 10 game journeyman and you've lost 10 games. A great closer is easily worth twice that many games--and not having one is like having a lousy defense in football--it becomes disheartenng to the whole team to lose game after game in the 9th. I'm a Met fan--see Benitez. And Looper. And last year w/o Wagner.

    Back in the day, I always thought they should have made Sid Fernandez a closer--great stuff, for a few innings. Chubby pitchers tend to break down--maybe it's all the pounding on the front leg.

    I'm the Yankees? Joba's in the pen.
  • Joe
    i think the Yanks should keep Joba in the bullpen for now, they've had bad luck with their young starters and should let Joba get some more big league experience before they expose him to the pressure of starting. Lovin the Youk description and how Sox fans defend him like he's their mother.
  • Brian
    As a Sox fan:1) Youkilis does have an obnoxious batting stance. And that stance will take Joba yard in Fenway or in Steinbrenner's Folly. 2) Joba reminds me a lot of Papelbon. He's terrifying as a closer or a setup man. . . mediocre as a starter. Has nothing to do with his throwing ability. . . has everything to do with the mentality.
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